There's different levels, but all Architects are at least middle management. I got promoted to senior staff, the day before my boss caught me smuggling humans and realized I'd been faking my reports for three hundred years - it was actually pretty funny, in hindsight.
[Michael was already inclined to lighten up on the matter, knowing that Crowley was Aziraphale's friend. That Crowley was like him, at least in the matter of turning his back on Hell.]
I've never even heard of another demon turning traitor back home. But I guess it's possible I wouldn't have - I know they were trying to keep my whole thing pretty quiet. Embarrassed a lot of higher-ups and all that.
[Maybe some of them have gone rogue in the past. Though you have to wonder what happened with it, if so.]
It would be nice to think they would. In my world, they're still supposed to be good - care about humanity and all that. But their entire system is so inhumane... [He shrugs, invisibly because stones.] I don't know, maybe they're all just hypocrites. They probably are.
[So that'd be a yes. They are all hypocrites. Aziraphale is surprised by his own angry tone, by the ease with which he says what he says.]
— to prove themselves, once and for all, better than the demons, humanity be... damned. The world was supposed to end. They would've all — oh, I don't have to explain it to you, do I? [A pause.] What made you...? I mean, what changed your mind?
[Nobody wants a war, as far as he knows. What would that do? There's no love lost between angels and demons, but they're all still part of the same larger system; if the Good Place made war, they'd just end up stuck with all those imperfect humans they didn't want. And destroying the world - that'd just put them all out of work.]
I made friends with some humans. Or rather, they made friends with me - I didn't really set out to do it.
N - well, yes. But that was later. I met them after they had all died. It was my first job as an Architect, and I was trying something experimental, so I just picked out four people to start with. Sort of a trial program.
You said you don't have Architects, in your world? I don't know exactly how the angels do it, but for us, an Architect gets assigned batches of humans and crafts the form that their eternal torture will take. Lower-ranking demons get assigned out to Architects who require their particular skills. Basically a project management role, I guess.
Anyway, we've always just done physical torture - eyeball corkscrews, face spiders, stuff like that. But I'd always been...curious, about humans.
[It's easy, now, to look back and see that as a sign of things to come. But Michael's not sure it necessarily was. It was what made him break tradition to begin with, but if his plan had ever worked, he wouldn't have looked back.]
I wanted to try picking them apart psychologically. See what they'd do, how they'd react...how I could turn them against each other. Really get involved with them, not just move on to another set.
[But for all his talk about immortals finding it hard to change, he's always adapted well to it when it finds him all on its own. He'd tempered himself to the humans and their shared classroom fairly quickly, first out of necessity and later because he found he wanted to.]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. But, I can enter my home timeline right where I left it again, and I know all my friends are safe for the moment. This is just an inconvenience.
[Had it happened during any of the times his friends were in immediate peril - which is most of the time - this would be a different story.]
Honestly, it's a little like cheating. Gives me more time to plan my next moves.
Is that how you've been keeping busy? Forgive all the questions, I just — this is a first for me, being away from Earth. Not having my powers. Feeling this... disconnect.
[From God, he means.
And then there's the matter of living with Crowley.
And... everything else.]
I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what to do with myself.
...that's why I picked up a pet, I guess. Not really used to having to take care of something, but the empty house was driving me insane.
[There's always been other people around. Not always friends, but even back in Hell you were never alone.]
You haven't been here long enough yet, but something terrible is going happen eventually. It always does. You'll be busy then. I've had better luck with it than the mortals, they need people around to help clean up disasters. [Not their fault, and probably not his own virtue either. It's just luck. But it's a good task, something that needs doing.]
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[Honestly, it was real similar to how he started things with Aziraphale, if a lot more emphatic on account of Demon]
And I may have tried to pull rank.
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But — rank. And Michael had mentioned something about a promotion, hadn't he?]
Where do... Architects, you said? — rank in the grand scheme of things?
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It's probably good that Michael can't see exactly how funny that is, to Aziraphale.]
Ah. I imagine your attempt with Crowley fell short?
[Crowley must've known, right away, that Michael isn't... like either of them, not really.
And even if not, Crowley is Crowley.]
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[Michael doesn't feel bad for it, exactly; that's just demon talk. A little sheepish, perhaps, that he was so gung-ho when it wasn't needed.]
I never did tell him I don't work for Hell anymore. It's not - I don't just go around trusting other demons. Guess I could bring it up, though.
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[Aziraphale takes Michael's point. He gets it. Generally, he's of the same mind - except in Crowley's case and, he guesses, Michael's.]
Take my word for it.
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[Michael was already inclined to lighten up on the matter, knowing that Crowley was Aziraphale's friend. That Crowley was like him, at least in the matter of turning his back on Hell.]
I've never even heard of another demon turning traitor back home. But I guess it's possible I wouldn't have - I know they were trying to keep my whole thing pretty quiet. Embarrassed a lot of higher-ups and all that.
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A demon and an angel.
[It's an important correction to make.]
I never intended to, but — things happen, you know?
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[Maybe some of them have gone rogue in the past. Though you have to wonder what happened with it, if so.]
It would be nice to think they would. In my world, they're still supposed to be good - care about humanity and all that. But their entire system is so inhumane... [He shrugs, invisibly because stones.] I don't know, maybe they're all just hypocrites. They probably are.
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[So that'd be a yes. They are all hypocrites. Aziraphale is surprised by his own angry tone, by the ease with which he says what he says.]
— to prove themselves, once and for all, better than the demons, humanity be... damned. The world was supposed to end. They would've all — oh, I don't have to explain it to you, do I? [A pause.] What made you...? I mean, what changed your mind?
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[Nobody wants a war, as far as he knows. What would that do? There's no love lost between angels and demons, but they're all still part of the same larger system; if the Good Place made war, they'd just end up stuck with all those imperfect humans they didn't want. And destroying the world - that'd just put them all out of work.]
I made friends with some humans. Or rather, they made friends with me - I didn't really set out to do it.
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[you know, for torture reasons]
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It's too bad he doesn't have any cocoa. Or wine. Wine would be more apropos.
Bugger.]
Interesting. In Hell?
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[Yeah, okay, might as well start from the top.]
You said you don't have Architects, in your world? I don't know exactly how the angels do it, but for us, an Architect gets assigned batches of humans and crafts the form that their eternal torture will take. Lower-ranking demons get assigned out to Architects who require their particular skills. Basically a project management role, I guess.
Anyway, we've always just done physical torture - eyeball corkscrews, face spiders, stuff like that. But I'd always been...curious, about humans.
[It's easy, now, to look back and see that as a sign of things to come. But Michael's not sure it necessarily was. It was what made him break tradition to begin with, but if his plan had ever worked, he wouldn't have looked back.]
I wanted to try picking them apart psychologically. See what they'd do, how they'd react...how I could turn them against each other. Really get involved with them, not just move on to another set.
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Which is to say, Aziraphale goes on a Face Journey.]
...and that backfired, I assume.
["Face spider"?
That is what he said, right?
WHAT THE FUCK IS A FACE SPIDER? Is it like a head frog?]
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[It's weird, but a lot of his feelings about that now are just pride and admiration for Eleanor. God, she's good.]
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But Michael needn't hear that, probably.
He smirks, but only to himself.]
And now you're a better person for it. Congratulations!
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[Deliberately, and because getting defensive over his own stupid plans he doesn't even like anymore would be kinda dumb.]
It needed to happen, anyway. Teaming up with humans was pretty much rock-bottom for me, from a demonic perspective.
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[It really needed to happen.]
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Takes a lot of change an immortal, I guess. And I thought I was the visionary in Hell - coming up with new ways to torture!
[lol, that is baby-level Radical Change]
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How long have you been here, Michael?
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[But for all his talk about immortals finding it hard to change, he's always adapted well to it when it finds him all on its own. He'd tempered himself to the humans and their shared classroom fairly quickly, first out of necessity and later because he found he wanted to.]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan. But, I can enter my home timeline right where I left it again, and I know all my friends are safe for the moment. This is just an inconvenience.
[Had it happened during any of the times his friends were in immediate peril - which is most of the time - this would be a different story.]
Honestly, it's a little like cheating. Gives me more time to plan my next moves.
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[From God, he means.
And then there's the matter of living with Crowley.
And... everything else.]
I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what to do with myself.
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[There's always been other people around. Not always friends, but even back in Hell you were never alone.]
You haven't been here long enough yet, but something terrible is going happen eventually. It always does. You'll be busy then. I've had better luck with it than the mortals, they need people around to help clean up disasters. [Not their fault, and probably not his own virtue either. It's just luck. But it's a good task, something that needs doing.]
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